LETTER: ‘Why are citizens still paying newsletter printing and mailing costs?’

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Letter to the Editor;

Why are Burien citizens still paying newsletter printing and mailing costs to send the Burien City Newsletter to Area Y/White Center citizens?

Eight months ago the citizens of Area Y turned down by a 2 to 1 vote annexation to the City of Burien. Burien citizens were told during the annexation campaign run by the City of Burien that the newsletter was being sent to Area Y residents to give them information about a city they might be joining. The cost of the newsletter production and mailing cost and is still costing the citizens of Burien thousands of dollars out of the Burien budget to mail to Area Y.

Yesterday, I went up to see a friend of mine who lives in Area Y. To my surprise, he was still receiving City of Burien newsletters and not just one but two of them each time the city sent out a newsletter. I am wondering why the citizens of Burien are still paying to send City of Burien newsletters to the citizens of Area Y when they rejected annexation.

In these tough economic times for the City of Burien, it seems strange that Burien would still be mailing to non citizens. Can anyone explain why this is still costing Burien taxpayers money and still happening?

– R. DeLorm

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19 Responses to “LETTER: ‘Why are citizens still paying newsletter printing and mailing costs?’”
  1. R says:

    Hi there,
    The last newsletter we received stated that it was going paperless moving forward, and if one wanted to continue receiving it they had to go online and fill out a form or tear out a form on the back of the newsletter. So it sounds like no one will receive a printed newsletter moving forward unless they write-in to the city requesting one. I think this should cover it….?

  2. TcB says:

    Please stop saying “these tough economic times”. Seattle unemployment is around 4.8% which is considered full employment. The economy in this region is booming.

    • VERY TIRED says:

      I know people that have been unemployed for months that would disagree. Factor in using the U-6, and that local number jumps to 7%. The state U-6 is 9.5%.

      • TcB says:

        The fact that you know people doesn’t change the facts. We are no longer in tough economic times in this region. I get many calls a week from recruiters, they are desperate to fill positions. Now you know someone with a different anecdote.

        And don’t ever make up numbers and say they are “probably more like…”

        Facts people.

        • TcB says:

          And don’t forget to tell people that u-6 actually counts people who are employed albeit in a circumstance that you think is not acceptable.

      • TcB says:

        This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that has been unemployed for 15 weeks or longer. This unemployment rate measures workers who are chronically unemployed. During business-cycle expansions, this rate captures structural unemployment. However, during lengthy business-cycle contractions, this rate is also likely to include a significant amount of cyclical unemployment. U1 tends to be relatively small, in the range of 1-2 percent.

        This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is classified as job losers (workers who have been involuntarily fired or laid off from their jobs) and people who have completed temporary jobs. During business-cycle expansions, this rate is likely to capture some degree of frictional unemployment. However, during business-cycle contractions, this rate is most likely to consist of cyclical unemployment. U2 is larger than U1, but still remains substantially less than the official unemployment rate (U3).

        This is the official unemployment rate, which is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is unemployed but actively seeking employment.

        This is the official unemployment rate that is adjusted for discouraged workers. In other words, discouraged workers are treated just like other workers who are officially classified as unemployed, being included in both the ranks of the unemployed and the labor force. It is technically specified as the proportion of the civilian labor force (plus discouraged workers) that is either unemployed but actively seeking employment or discouraged workers. The addition of discouraged workers generally adds a few tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate.

        This augments U4 by including marginally-attached workers to the unemployment rate calculation. Marginally attached workers are potential workers who have given up seeking employment for various reasons. One of these reasons is that the workers believe such effort would be futile, which places them in the discouraged worker category. Those who have other reasons for not seeking employment are placed in the broader marginally-attached workers category. The addition of marginally-attached workers adds a few more tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate.

        This augments U5 by including part-time workers to the unemployment rate calculation. The addition of part-time workers adds a full 2-3 percentage points to the official unemployment rate. This measure of unemployment is perhaps the most comprehensive measure of labor resource unemployment available.

        Let’s let the people decide what numbers you should look at. You want to include chronically unemployed and people who are employed but “could be doing better”.


  3. umm! says:

    Nice try at starting yet another fake controversy. Newsletters are not being sent to Area Y homes…you and your buddies continue to make things up and try to stir controversy over non-issues..I just hope the good people of Burien can see through all your lies….and you might want to ask your friend Debi Wagner about Burien’s financial status…after all she claimed Burien was broke…how will she spin that bit of nonsense….

    • ATKMH says:

      Anyone can request a copy of the newsletter or to be put on a mailing list. Good grief, it’s public information.

    • SD says:

      Your comment is a bit harsh, don;t you think? You’ve essentially called DeLorm a lier but offered nothing other than your opinion to refrute his/her claim. What do you know that the citizen’s of Burien should know? Please elaborate.

    • peter says:

      Ummi you and your buddies have never had the best interests of Burien at heart.
      Your irresponsible pushing to annex white center cost the citizens of Burien over a hundred thousand dollars. You and your small group of special interest naysayers went down to a resounding defeat. Your credibility and honesty are definitely a question mark considering all the pro annexation propaganda that turned out in the end to be a pile of hooey.

  4. Fred says:

    To R.DeLorm-
    Thanks for writing this letter. Yep, a number of my friends in Area Y are still receiving the City of Burien newsletter. However, the notice in the newsletter is somewhat confusing in content and some people may be surprised when they no longer receive it in their mail.
    If you are Hispanic, there is no Spanish translation in the June, 2013 newsletter and you won’t know why it stopped coming to your home. Almost half of the citizens in Burien don’t have computers to get the newsletter by email. Even if you have a computer the city website is so difficult to follow that a number of citizens will stop being informed on what the city is doing. So R. DeLorm thanks for bring up the topic of the city newsletter and calling attention to it for the public.

    To TcB(The city of Burien staff or wanna be staffer)-
    Burien is still in tough economic times. Our unemployment rates are much higher than Seattle’s and many of the citizens in Burien work in low paying service jobs. All you have to do is look at the free and reduced lunch stats for the students in Burien schools and the shift in those stats since 2007-2008 and 2013. There is still lots of hunger in Burien. Go look at how many people are in line at the local food banks. Also check out the King County Assessor’s site of home values in Burien as compared to the rest of the county. We have not recovered and the city’s budget has not recovered. I suggest that you listen up at the council meetings about the amount of revenue Burien is still losing in property tax values and revenues. So R.DeLorm is correct in referring to the still tough ecomonic times in Burien. Take a look at the empty storefronts and lost business taxes and sales tax revenues to the city. But then perhaps you are one of the city staffers or landlords who doesn’t live in Burien but really resides in Magnolia, Medina, Ballard, Bellevue or Redmond.

    • jimmy says:

      ahh you don’t really need a computer anymore for e-mail most if not all cell phone’s do e-mail ether thourth the internet or text messing even pre pay cell or pay as you go also there is the library’s in the area I do relizes not everyone has a cell phone but most do or know someone that has one no mater who you are or what your income is and if Burien is doing so bad then isent it a good idea to let people outside of burien know about things going on in the city that can bring more sales to the area and also let people that there are good things going on in Burien know matter what you guys find to complain about just becuse you want your way or the highway out of the city council

    • TcB says:

      Just like you don’t look at the facts for CARES you don’t look at the facts for unemployment.

      Here’s a live graph that shows unemployment in Burien dropping like a rock. In March it was at 5.6 and dropping faster than a speeding bullet.


      Where are your facts Fred?

      Oh, I know “All you have to do is look around” and feel your way to understanding. Do you use a dowsing rod to find water?

      And yes I live here in Burien. Not near the lake. I’m not a staffer or a wanna be staffer. I’m a citizen who will not get lost but will continue to fight for transparency and facts about what is going on in this town. Not some “feelings” about how things look to you.

      When you show me a fact that you can point to that will back up your claim you bet I will take notice.

      Until then, we are not living in tough economic times (as a whole). I’m sure you can point to a person or two, but that isn’t the community (as a whole).

      If you can successfully dispute this and prove that Burien is in a recession (In economics, a recession is a business cycle contraction, a general slowdown in economic activity.Macroeconomic indicators such as GDP, employment, investment spending, capacity utilization, household income, business profits, and inflation fall, while bankruptcies and the unemployment rate rise.) then I will demur.

  5. othersideofthetracks says:

    So, whats wrong with sending out a newsletter?
    I dont mind putting in a few cents a month for the printing of it,
    For some folks, this may be their only way to have at least half an idea of whats going on
    around town.
    After all, TCB would probably be lost without it. But then again, that may, (excuse me, I meant would be) a good thing if he just got lost.

  6. Fred says:

    To TcB,The city of Burien dementor blog troll-
    “Dementors are among the foulest creatures that walk this earth. They infest the darkest, filthiest places, they glory in decay and despair, they drain peace, hope, and happiness out of the air around them… Get too near a Dementor and every good feeling, every happy memory will be sucked out of you. If it can, the Dementor will feed on you long enough to reduce you to something like itself…soulless and evil. You will be left with nothing but the worst experiences of your life.”
    —Remus Lupin to Harry Potter[src]

    For facts on the economic condition of the City of Burien and the residents that live in the city, go the the Office of Public Instruction (OSPI) site and look up Highline Schools. You can also look up each of the specific schools in the City of Burien. Note that in 2007-2008, the district had 54.1% of its students on free and reduced lunches. In 2011-2012, the district had 68.2% of its students on free and reduced lunches. That is a 14% increase in children and families that are suffering in these economic times and no Burien has not recovered. The free and reduced lunch progam is based on household income. Also consider being a citizen scientist and drive through the city and count the number of empty store fronts or take the time to first person interview the small business owners.

    This is what you stated,”If you can successfully dispute this and prove that Burien is in a recession (In economics, a recession is a business cycle contraction, a general slowdown in economic activity.Macroeconomic indicators such as GDP, employment, investment spending, capacity utilization, household income, business profits, and inflation fall, while bankruptcies and the unemployment rate rise.) then I will demur.”

    The facts that I provided you with about Highline Schools are used by the Federal govt. to determine the condition, needs and recovery of that community. I expect you to demur now.

    • TcB says:

      Lets see, should I go with emotions and anecdotes or facts. I go with facts. I am not a troll for calling for transparency based around facts. I will not demur. The money is flowing.

    • TcB says:

      Supply me with a link because I can’t find the evidence you’re supporting

    • TcB says:

      The only empty storefronts I see are in olde Burien ( bad location for anything other than a restaurant) and some of the town square project. 153rd is doing mush better and 1st ave is rockin! Woo! Up with Burien!

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